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	<title>Comments on: Re: Do Curators Need University Curatorial Programs?</title>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
		<link>http://www.marissaneave.com/2009/02/re-do-curators-need-university-curatorial-programs/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gabby, thanks for your comment!

I have so many meandering thoughts about the subject, here are some of them:

When you ask, &quot;What does this say about the public perception of curating?&quot; I have to say that I don&#039;t know if it changes the perception at all. Or maybe it mythologizes it. I have resorted to telling people that I study &quot;art history&quot; because when I say &quot;criticism and curatorial practice&quot; I am met with puzzled looks. And when I try to explain what the program is about, a typical response is, &quot;Oh! Like Charlotte from Sex and the City!&quot; My experience is that the perception of curating (outside of the arts industry) is still basically limited to the gallerist/dealer archetype.

I think that is a testament to how discourse about this topic can only exist within the art world, which means, in a way, that the industry is changing from the inside. It&#039;s not some ominous &quot;they&quot; who are hiring fresh CRCP grads. It&#039;s us.

Having said that, I don&#039;t know if I necessarily believe that curatorial programs have changed the field. Not to say that the field hasn&#039;t changed. 

Maybe it has contributed to the very broad definition of what a curator is or can be, which I think is a good thing. But I think successful curators have a certain intuition or innate skill about their work. The same could be said of artists -- good artists who go to art school don&#039;t learn to become artists at school. They may learn techniques and meet people and have access to new resources, but ultimately no one can teach you how to have a good idea or where to find the drive to execute it.

My final thought is that I owe my interest in thinking about these sorts of things to OCAD and CRCP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gabby, thanks for your comment!</p>
<p>I have so many meandering thoughts about the subject, here are some of them:</p>
<p>When you ask, &#8220;What does this say about the public perception of curating?&#8221; I have to say that I don&#8217;t know if it changes the perception at all. Or maybe it mythologizes it. I have resorted to telling people that I study &#8220;art history&#8221; because when I say &#8220;criticism and curatorial practice&#8221; I am met with puzzled looks. And when I try to explain what the program is about, a typical response is, &#8220;Oh! Like Charlotte from Sex and the City!&#8221; My experience is that the perception of curating (outside of the arts industry) is still basically limited to the gallerist/dealer archetype.</p>
<p>I think that is a testament to how discourse about this topic can only exist within the art world, which means, in a way, that the industry is changing from the inside. It&#8217;s not some ominous &#8220;they&#8221; who are hiring fresh CRCP grads. It&#8217;s us.</p>
<p>Having said that, I don&#8217;t know if I necessarily believe that curatorial programs have changed the field. Not to say that the field hasn&#8217;t changed. </p>
<p>Maybe it has contributed to the very broad definition of what a curator is or can be, which I think is a good thing. But I think successful curators have a certain intuition or innate skill about their work. The same could be said of artists &#8212; good artists who go to art school don&#8217;t learn to become artists at school. They may learn techniques and meet people and have access to new resources, but ultimately no one can teach you how to have a good idea or where to find the drive to execute it.</p>
<p>My final thought is that I owe my interest in thinking about these sorts of things to OCAD and CRCP!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabby Moser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabby Moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback and response, Marissa. Your thoughts on the OCAD program are especially insightful. I think your comments about curatorial programs being a good space to try new things and devote time to learning about criticism and art history pretty much echo how I feel about my program at York. The lack of opportunities for hands-on curating in these university programs is sort of a direct reflection of how hard it is to find the time/money/resources to mount exhibitions in the &quot;real world&quot; in many ways too. What I found particularly compelling about the topic was why so many professionalizing curatorial programs have opened and been sustained in the past 5 years. What does this say about the public perception of curating? And, more importantly, what does the discrepancy between this perception and the reality tell us about the state of contemporary curating? I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

If you&#039;re interested, you should read Reid Shier&#039;s essay in full. He eventually comes to a similar conclusion that you do about ARCs: that, while the people being hired may have changed, ARCs are really operating in the same ways they always have (with boards, programming committees, public funding, etc.) and that artists still need them.

Thanks again for the comments. I love your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback and response, Marissa. Your thoughts on the OCAD program are especially insightful. I think your comments about curatorial programs being a good space to try new things and devote time to learning about criticism and art history pretty much echo how I feel about my program at York. The lack of opportunities for hands-on curating in these university programs is sort of a direct reflection of how hard it is to find the time/money/resources to mount exhibitions in the &#8220;real world&#8221; in many ways too. What I found particularly compelling about the topic was why so many professionalizing curatorial programs have opened and been sustained in the past 5 years. What does this say about the public perception of curating? And, more importantly, what does the discrepancy between this perception and the reality tell us about the state of contemporary curating? I would love to hear your thoughts on it.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, you should read Reid Shier&#8217;s essay in full. He eventually comes to a similar conclusion that you do about ARCs: that, while the people being hired may have changed, ARCs are really operating in the same ways they always have (with boards, programming committees, public funding, etc.) and that artists still need them.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comments. I love your blog!</p>
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